HR2 – Are the Brewers imply lucky to be in the race?
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From the league's runs two of the riverfront. This season we're Wisconsin sports fans cone stood tall though bill Mikey show. Here's your whole list. Mike cools. You know Michael Shelley Johnny. Now we are glad to have you thanks so much ridiculous into it's we appreciate it in that we're broadcasting live on your goose island on your next Budweiser pavilion that's we can find this. Come on my say hi here for our last day of the broadcast. At the Wisconsin state fair. So you're going to be out here today which is Patrick donated by a by the way so coming up later on the program we're gonna actually have the quartet heavily. From the Patrick got any singers are going to come over. And they're gonna serenade us a little bit today I always look forward that is Friday's here at the state fair always fun day especially this last Friday. Because it's just it's fine. Their Britain over the brownie that make him as a special brownie. It appeared whether to bring that over we've got Utley O'Leary that was not the state fair is going to be here a lot of Bears stuff today last week and it was not state fair that's going on. Recap of the Packers last night. Obviously we gotta talk about the Milwaukee Brewers. Who were just playing is that offensive baseball right now I don't I'm not sugar coating in anyway shape or form of we we tiptoed around this enough. Because the bottom line is this. Young team. Rebuilding absolutely completely agreed to that. Brady's up the games you play it's pretty damn good baseball and all of us about your mind is gone and I agree with Tim Allen that team is pressing. What went to start pressing he gets it all Faulk and Faulk for a couple weeks that's one thing and off while we are now more than that there's. At some point you gotta say somebody's got to do stuff that somewhere somewhere to ship shape for a B it was that we got to snap out of this whether it's manager. Whether it's hitting coach whether it's a veteran out leader on that team. Myself I've gotten some sophomores and it like this is not odds now if you had if you're decimated by injuries and things change understandable. Which decimated by injuries to pretty damn good pitching but your feet away a lot of opportunities right underplayed some stupid baseball. So. Should think you have to change over there. I'm I would I'm appreciative of the rebuild. I'm really appreciate it and rebuild I understand words that would. Give it throw it wrong bases. Swinging at ball three and ball for just outside bad pitches guessing. Looking off balance and yet you know I every every night well you got to give them credit they're in they took it paid but everybody is getting paid first half of the season. You're just forgot learn how to play them baseball. 8558308648. You know what everybody's getting paid beginning of the season. When you're playing really good you weren't saying that you were saying you know what guys are being Smart guys are working counts guys getting in the bullpen. Guys doing everything it takes. You cut down on the base running mistakes but on the throwing mistakes you're hitting cut off men you weren't giving guys extra base you work your pitching staff precarious positions. Pitching staff was coming in of being Smart. Now you pretty stat thrown drawn some pretty decent game you're you're doing nothing to support. I could sit one guy goes into a slump but a team. I mean the statistics bear it out you sought. 85583086488558308648. On the long like it dot com told re talk line. I know it takes more than a half the season to make a veteran I know it takes more than a season I have to make a veteran I understand that. Foot width. The with the witty shall we say. Has changed my perspective it brought on some expectations which is a very good thing. But it also brings on a level of frustration when those expectations aren't met and that's very obvious. 85583086. Fauria 8558308648. On a loan like kept a couple free to Auckland also something raw and rather it is becoming out of her regarding the Brewers but more so spring training. Are there at the Brewers want to move their spring training facility to your work Arizona. They're not gonna get taxpayer money. Taxpayers in Arizona. It is the timing just isn't right that you spent a butt load of money not too long ago on on talkies yeah. They sped up butt load of money on that Cubs new facility. They built the facilities and surprised in the Goodyear that huge mammoth police there and camelback. There was a boom. There was a boom in Arizona spring training sites and cities couldn't get him fast enough. And then cities built them and they set while for thirty days. It's not necessarily is worth it is maybe we thought it was in. If your the Cubs it's great. If you're sharing a facility within other team that is popular and there's going to be money pouring into that every day that's great. What all in all to build a single team a single facility. Not financially the smartest thing I guess in Gilbert errors on his said he yet you wanna come here come on ninety million buck kept facility or build it. But we're not giving any taxpayer dollars for. Apparently the Brewers. Back in June. We're talking. With Gilbert Arizona via a town has not talked to rich about the proposition though since June 13 there was a parting of the ways because. It just wasn't a great fit for Gilbert from a financial perspective according to their mayor. They're yeah mayor Daniels said the town is it doing its due diligence during assist six months of discussion with the Brewers even commissioning an economic study impact. Which show the cost of the stadium way outweigh the economic benefit for thirty days. According to Gilbert estimates the town would have paid between 8000000 and ten million per year. To build and operate the facility and would've seen about four million dollars a year increase revenue. He said we're not exploring this any further period done this doesn't necessarily mean Brewers won't will be Gilbert that is won't be getting public funding to do it. Daniel said the town is not spoke with the Brewers in nearly two months. But the team and its developmental department LG design bill. Both indicated last week that it Gilbert ballpark was still a possibility. So the Brewers. Now that Gilbert Jaber commerce released its own economic study the report states the Brewers would pay 75 billion. For a ballpark on their own and a developer would then pay. For the accompanying seventy million dollars is well for the village. Which would include hotels office space commercial property if indeed they can build their own complex down there the town will be asked to contribute. Three and a half million annually for twenty years to offset the operation costs according to the study. When asked to confirm that the the Brewers were willing to pony up to me but labored stadium team spokesman said while you wanna talk of the chamber about that. And that was it that was all she wrote. 85583086488. By five feet 3086. Great so. I don't know if something is eventually gonna be built but if you build it they will come but if you build it and you don't win and you're not popular. They don't look over the fence and say out of some plays better. Simple as that. So that's coming out of the Arizona Republic. Newspaper. 85583086488558308648. Billy rights absolutely it considering the struggles the Brewers be lucky other only out of first taste of first place by 2 games the central absolutely young a rebuilding. But also the injuries. They've and it'll play through at times rather amazing considering all the things. Mike says absolutely surprise you originally a couple of games back. Is it me or does it seem like the Brewers are much farther back just two games. I mean I guess when you wake up in the morning you look at the standings you say you know why. Is received only a couple of games back you know are you excited about that you say how in the world they only two games back where the Cubs must suck to. That's my thought and then I sit there look at over the fence denies or wait a minute. The Cardinals are back in this thing that it's kind of like a NASCAR race a 500 mile race. Just stay close you stay in the top ten top fifteen you wait for a couple of cautioned you make your move and in the last twenty laps. Off you know it's your right there you're right there it's anybody's race and that's what the L central has become it's anybody's race right now. Nobody's running away with the help this Burks hanging around. 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It regards the Milwaukee Brewers and where they stand right now only a couple of games back in the standings eight by five feet 30864. Able talked to Packers coming up a little bit as well. And at some point. Possibly soon. We are going to be visited by the people across the way decree but belliard was not speaker park and have a surprise force I don't know specifically what it is. But I have a feeling it revolves around brownies and I'm all in mortal Michael Internet. Just on. Mark Few. Clooney bill Michaels yeah. The program we are glad to have you broadcasting why we're here at goose island that's reviewed by this inside it the Budweiser pavilion inside the goose island they'll house. And if you wanna come out and say hello by all means do so this portion of the program would be brought to our good friends at tobacco that was grocery got a great event coming up near the end of the month we're going to be you know player. On Lakewood so I'll tell you more about that one of our cigar dinners it's coming up coming up here just a little bit of it and that discussion but and I I've mentioned this earlier. I said at some point our friends from the creep up pavilion which is across the way they're gonna come over drops them off to its and that mark Joseph our friend Robin brought him over but a Mark Johnson who's the other baker over there. Stops by so it's a mark enough for football I am not take all the credit for but I. I know what was got you got to loprete. And you guys how many of those you sell. Probably sell up to up to 50000 a day okay almost a half a million during the state fair altogether. Hole so yes it's huge and die it's it's it's part of it's like. But she said it's just part of being a good was not tonight so I mean I've had on I like him but I love the rounds I've always told people that is the unsung hero. Of all the you know it was got to stay there it's low risk brownies which are just absolutely fantastic. And so it's funny as I mentioned yesterday I've got friends from the Cincinnati Bengals that are coming down. Okay and a buddy of mine now works for the angles and he knows the Browns however out of years ago he said and he knows he pairs going on do you get a surprised legally make him in the fair. Needs that you reason. So happy he's got like half the team ordering brownies and I kind of an easy thing to take the label your way when they come to town however. You've now brought me a special round. That's right so if I don't I can't say to go Michael Brown it was close so when you got a special right what is this thing well we've changed the frosting on it. We're using a part of free prostate OK now it's not necessarily available look kind of you're getting a prototype were on getting a response and everybody likes that we may move in that direction of a crap and well perfect though you are going which blocks the prototype. Do you throw that over don't think issues. So for all okay so it's a little bit lighter color code at letter because it at the butter penal what you used to get in UKQ you. Okay and how it might just have to let noticeably help beat these things are we back that's that's that you might disappointment yeah. That's utes are not what are Ricardo guys you have normally the chocolate like like frosting on the other right as correct now. And this is a butter and each one of those rounds a third of a pound so it's. A big brown the only O'Neal it's it's like a giant wave best describe it is like he reached a point steroids what's round. If you put it that bill and I knew it judgment as I don't now how many of these brownies are now going out of date Tuesday it was like I said it was it was you know a few of them it's the roots of what. And and I know that you're really just trying to get part of the royalties it's not just. Normally we fell about six under today. And since you've been talking about us our sales of almost double is that round while the you know and a great out again network out and it's good because. You're right rights have been adamantly people they. Creep up and beat up only when he walked in our building they do they solve it but I've always said on ones and I'm looking at it right now across away right out of the ale house a billion to war. Is that the creep ultimately you gotta read both on both sides of the sign. And there's got to be so well at some point just thought about that last night we need to get a picture of round yet there suck it he holt the round. I'll pick on you know but yeah. A billboards. Justin Brown they've ever so you guys are selling more more than brownie that Anchorage or at least very very wrong I am and it's been very good everybody enjoyed them and hopefully there's so much sugar just waist down and yet very you can use him run out there and fifth. I market Bridget to come over our a couple of minutes and they wanna you guys my guys now you guys just it's just till Sunday and and you guys closed things down right that's correct. As I know you do the free open and everybody's been cream puffs of at a time when you know and that that's part of the magic that is fifth it's one thing one time of the year. I mean. You know that you lose that right right I mean it was the time and allow a lot of things were one time year round and got it now there's still one thing one great to the united. And that's the creep up these what a cream brownies. Okay will they are we talking this is going to be next year on the on the menu over there we're not sure Ehrlich. I guess they you're literally getting them the first well last night some people got the first month under getting to second once OK right now. And we'll see other responses this weekend no guarantee it wouldn't surprise me but no here it wouldn't surprise okay that we we got to get the BMB's but Michael brownie is a little bit tentative but in that next year because that that thought with an athlete leaders who target that if I don't know if that took I don't literal masters. Okay all right great market appreciating you guys have a great time Robin that you're so much of we'll see you guys will but later we gotta party here on Sunday so we know what to people coming on habits from or brownies and make cities in here and terrorized there you go that's Mark Johnson is one of Baker's over there at the creep up civilian. Joining us for a couple of minutes let's do this we're gonna turn around to take quick break and or low literally to report were come back when I get back into a few of the things for an extended segment your at the cream puff pavilion on across the way in the goose island on house. And a Budweiser pavilion it's all brought you by our good friends at Marshall clinic don't just live it shine stick around or DiMaggio coming up next. Wisconsin well I know marsh field including bill Michaels sports talk now. This stretches have been difficult and only just you know worth it away some innings but dumb that's it's time to step up that's for sure. Yeah. I grabbed. Hopefully your haven't a terrific and they certainly appreciate you take elicit too is we are broadcasting live out here that was got to stay here if you are looking. Or that a brownie that the people over the creep up billion Mark Johnson Robert and company just brought over from the Republican leader that was gutsy there. Order it's not for mass Elliott but telling you heard about it here. It's the butter cream brownie I also I just to show you how big it is and and if you know me on and I'm 66 I'm not a small man. 66 to sixty do OK so all I've got a pretty big game. So I made a fist and I put the fist up next to the brown. The brownies bigger in my hand. So take a look at that they had it posted on Twitter. Just waited out a little while ago when they were sitting here so it's out there at bill underscore Michaels at the letters were Michael and bill Michaels blue ribbon around eager at the Wisconsin state fair butter cream on it. And it looks meant as a Rooney to dig into this thing coming up here shortly. 8558308648. By 583086. For him along like if dot com tall free talk line. What about the Brewers chatter. What talk a little bit about that and go talk to Packers coming up here it will that we are hopeful showed it. And it was not the state there are last day broadcasting out here. At the Wisconsin state generosity from Mike McCarthy coming up here a little bit as well so hang in there I promise you won't it would at all this on. Played the the Brewers right now are an interesting conundrum. Why you match. Well it is so you pointed out and it's it's one very legitimate. Not emotional. Non crazy week and it's from Eric who says in my the only want. That doesn't care where they are in the standings it's not their time yet I'm more concerned about. Who's getting the at bats the base running the defense who's making a name for themselves and Aron. You aren't the level headed to. Being up sensibility. You are the most in depth tour was to fans. In the sense that you understand and and remain on motion list somewhat about it. When it comes to the angst. That Brewers fans are going through and I and yours truly as well. Because you you start don't forget me water yet while Joseph is well Joseph Johnson's all the back in the studios. You get led this watered you think OK wait a minute we're going to be able to drink from it this is gonna happen this is sooner than we expected it which makes it even more euphoric. And work giddy over this have a right to be giddy over this. And then when it all comes crashing down it's over the watered it's farther farther farther farther away or that you just keep treading water looking at a going I'm never gonna get there. You calculate running it quicksand. Then as is Bill Murray so it enormously said in the movie stripes then depressions and it. Because that's where we're at right now. But they're still only a couple of games back and you're right on the surface that's all your support we looking at. How they're throwing are they setting up the rotation for next year Travis Shaw is clearly entrenched himself at third base. Alando RC a a much better season this year than he had last year clearly the guy that you want it over at shortstop you still have to figure out your second base position. That you aren't company. They're there Capel. All maybe turning things around going into next season so you could try that. I mean there's numerous things. Diego our buddy Josh went over here at the from the cheap shots minced up in but that's a brand new bill Michaels award winning brownie by the way. They just invented that yesterday. So they have it. His breaking stuff and your girl so they go bigger picture jockey this thing but if Europe if Europe per hour span. And and your your on that train you understand. Where the train hands but as eighth man that. Was led to believe this team might be better than what you thought were some of the disappointment or frustration comes in I don't mind what. If they can't be that you'd be no problem. Put over some stupid things. Throwing to the wrong base extending innings extending your pitching staff. Swinging wildly at third all three involve for not being Smart at the plate all the things you were doing that kind of got you here that's what's frustrating. Look at it. If if you just come in and hit the hell out of the ball they're having good days your nine it looked it is what it is. What Britney tiger team to go from top ten in statistical categories offensively to last or second to last in damn near every category. Offensively. That's what's roster and Joseph give me your thoughts. Well first of all I think. This NL central bill it's the weakest I've ever seen. On an N insists it's just bizarre to me that no one wants to take over this division. No one wants to seize the moment again shame on the Chicago Cubs. It felt like to me that they were going to have a red hot second half and right now they can't beat teams like the Giants and and it's just ahead scratch. On now the Cardinals obviously of 16 straight games. Looks like they want to try and seize the moment of for how long. You know I think the Brewers. Am going to be very straight up here I think the Brewers are very lucky to be in the situation right now because if they were in the NL east. If they were in the NL last this division. It did they be done. MP and I think brewer fans would look at and say. There there above 500 right now. There are growing pains of this I think they have played much better than what we all expect and and he but since you put him in the NL central. And you put up with a lot of these lackluster teams badges don't want to run away with that now all the Sutter never won. Is get upset when the Burress kick get this done. And it's like my god we're right they're right they're right there. Again I just look at it on the serves and say. The important you know for what it's worth this is Dennis successful season and at they don't win the division it's not the end of the world butts. It would be nice. To see them actually seize the moment it would be pretty cool because none of these other teams want to get it done. The Cardinals and Cubs had much higher expectations going into the season then the Brewers day. And yet here they are not get the job done. So I think again brewer fans beat thankful -- lucky that even though your teams in third place right now. You know you're right they are dig your right Eric but again. You have to understand the growing pains of this baseball club right now that again they are not ready. And they are playing with some other mediocre teams in this division right now so somehow someway the Brewers sent up when in division the September because he's other. Teams aren't able to get it done that's grade that's huge great experience for these younger guys but again. My decision here and get upset the Brewers don't when the division because they were couple games close because they're playing in the division crappy teams. Are Phil about. I I. I'm not gonna fret they don't when the division. I just want to see him play better baseball down the stretch I don't I don't wanna see you know being swept in four game series. How I I I look if they're splitting series if they're battling 32442435. Before. And it there in this thing that's great I I can live with that when I can't what what it was what is mind boggling right now. Is. Scoring two or three runs per game and that's it they're not able to put up many crooked numbers. There are unable to get together any big rallies the refusal to try to jump start any rallies. In any essence. The the some of the stupid plays they've had in the field some stupid base running that they had it seems like everything they got on to this point. They regressed on and that's it was disappointing I thought the pitch yeah I mean let's be honest I mean. Joseph I think next year there's a lot of optimism regarding this team going into spring training. Because you actually have 56 guys you could say okay when adamant this guy this guy to be a story that I could be a start this guy had a good season this guy's got all a lot of burgeoning. You know thought process when it comes to whether or not gonna make the rotation and then if you go out and get yourself a starter. Kind of that anchor. And that you got it that anchor as say an ace or two achieving Nelson and then you just balls to the bottom of that that you weren't able your bullpen. What. Well wait a minute women win. You just said that there were six or seven guys that would fit the rotation next year and next season I'm not going in the next season with just the guys out of my farm system that adding after that season. I'm not doing that. It was the Smart money but yeah you believe this is mole no I wouldn't I'm not ready to spend money yet and who are you gonna sign in free agency. Well I'd lose out there who you may make it right who knows. Not human all right for a guy that's going to be coming up in the mid portion of the season that you know he is is in the and his counter. I don't know I'd like to know who's out there I've but again at what price the second a beat. You know it's funny because. God the Brewers and injury for Sonny gray. Because I'll tell you what. It's Sonny gray it was on this team right now do you think the Brewers or be any better than what they are and the answer is no. Because Sonny gray we're not gotten on the run support just like Jimmy Nelson doesn't get the run support just like saint Davies doesn't get the run support just like brain and Woodruff doesn't doesn't get the run support. No no no no no no you know what again I applaud Dave concerns were not make and trade like that just like I applaud him for not making any big move. Arm at the trade deadline because again if you brought in a pitcher like Sonny gray. It's not going to help this team the offense is killing numb right now it's absolutely killing them and next year and next year. You have to rely on your younger pitchers. Your inexperienced pitchers to see what you have been on you're not gonna go out and sign a free agent pitcher you're not gonna go ought to make a trade. For a pitcher because again that's gonna cost you a lot and I don't know what's out there for the Brewers to say. Double just make a trade for a number two pitcher rule make a trade for an ace I don't think such a deal is possible out there. It wasn't possible at the trade deadline now now could we see teams like the Blue Jays for example you know JA happ was a guy. That was flow around out there but the Blue Jays and wanna trade up. They don't want to trade him this off season the Blue Jays may look at it and say no you know we had a bad year we think we can bounce back to hang on the JA happ I don't think. There is a deal to be made for the Milwaukee Brewers to upgrade the rotation right now I think you need to roll with your younger controllable guys that means. Josh hater may get his were you may get his opportunity in the rotation next year that means Brandon would jump will probably be full time in the rotation. And maybe you rely on someone else and that's how you feel at that Jimmy Nelson and chase Sanders sent argun to be the veterans they are plus sick Davies and it really could be. Pumping in about this correctly without looking at this without having a roster in front I mean your rotation next year as of right now could be. Jimmy Nelson chase Andersons that Davies plus Josh hader Brandon what you're. And maybe Brent suitor has an opportunity to compete for a spot Matt Garza would be gone he be a free agent. I think that's what you have to roll with next year and if the Brewers take a step back. It's not the end of the world it's again this is the growing pains of a rebuild but your foundation. Could be found in this rotation next year at some of these younger guys actually step up and pitched in a big weight that's how you have to do this year in a rebuild. No I I agreement I'm gonna say you need at least one other arm that's going to be a veteran arm in that rotation I'm not I don't know what's out there bill. I don't know what I'll get it you've got John Lackey will be out there area will be off I don't watch online I don't will be out. I'm just simply saying there's a lot of these guys are going to be available on his go through guys that are going to be available auto human as. Yu Darvish. Hector Santiago Jason Vargas from Kansas City Lance Lynn Saint Louis. Clay Buchholz from Philadelphia on his goal. Veteran names that we would kind of know so to speak on that saying that this is a particular right away after Anderson which sank. There's a lot of pitchers that are going to be in a much CC sabathia is going to be up mark. There's a lot of holes to be on the market and not point no I understand that what I'm saying is is you don't necessarily have to find the number one. What you have to find in my opinion is a veteran. Is a guy that's gonna come in with the younger guy you talk about your banking on Woodruff who's had five starts may. We'll Jeremy he's your future you have to relying your farm system like they are they have that then I've been trying to make the size and Steve are you winning anything next year. I need as of right now menacing no. What you're if you're the guys you're not gonna win next year and action is not your year that I'm fine with that. Blight at some point I'm gonna say you have to go get a veteran maybe then after next season you're gonna go get a veteran. I'll tell you what bill if it will look no not if the Brewers go back out next season and have another really good year and there competing for the division. Mom. And your scene. The same production at a at a guys like Trevor shot Domingo Santana Orlando RCA dice Y feel like could be a part of this core when they are ready to go for it. If those guys consider a what they did last year. And Jimmy knows singles back out there and pitches the same way he did this year you get another good outing and it she Sanderson and one of these younger guys step up. Then I think the 2019 season. I think you could make a very strong argument to say okay we think we have the guys in place now let's add another legitimate veteran. Pitcher or position player or whatever that is. To put us over the top but again you have to see whether or not this team can actually play over 500 baseball next year. And actually have a chance to compete either within the division or within the wildcard we don't know if the Chicago Cubs are gonna be as bad as they were this year going in the next year I would like to think the Cubs will be a better baseball team next year. And and expect it to. Better keep up with the Cubs is a result my my whole thing is in the in this is what my argument is that from the beginning. If you're not gonna go out and spend the money and bring in higher and talent when it comes to arms in the stamp or make a deal to bring in higher and talent. That all you're doing a spinning your wheels and that meet your hoping. That every guy in your farm system which you haven't been able to produce Jack squat when it comes to pitching well in the farm system over the last public decades. Because it right now you've got some guys recovered at the top I understand that. But let's be honest that track record of this team this track worker this ballclub the minor league system they haven't been able to produce hardly anything when it comes to pitch but that was the previous regime. But -- that's the I agree with that that means David -- put everything together the last two years. Well yeah you have to give them with no match Bjorn I of the fact that he did and I'm saying I'm gonna go get a veteran make sure that as my -- a little bit. The manager wait a minute okay you look at the history of the farm system which was based on Doug Melvin Bruce side and that whole regime. That failed and miss and Solomon major at Knicks or not we have a new general manager in here. It's been for two years' he makes these trades your farm systems loaded we haven't even seen these guys yet. They does that we need to see. What these guys are ready. Baseball is 100% built your Marxist medical would have the starting protects what you're a small market team you don't always talking about cream rises of the top cream rises to the top. We haven't seen the cream Reiss of the top get and you're also talking about what we should that we should bet on these guys we should try and go after a starter that's what I'm sick. Sosa I don't the guys on the part stars that come to the minor league system I'm banking on you're your forever maybe hitting an article on fortified with somebody tell us and that's the thing that's what we have. We have to see what Brendan Woodruff is made out of next year a full season we have to see what Josh Peter is made up in a full season next year. And then if those guys are legit now if those guys are stepping up if they can be number twos number threes in your rotation. Against the argument is. You should go out and make a trade for another prominent pitcher that can really strengthen your rotation and goal for a whole season chased. You have to wait and see some of these guys come up through your farm system first before you can go out and do that I am not making a signing in the arms. I'm making deals for what if if that's the case then why even bring in the guy like tier major that's why even think about bereavement Ian Kinsler. Kazuo you have to weight that why bring in anybody get hurt anybody along the way if you believe your quality count your mind which is Jimmie Jeff Burris is not this. All star closer right now Jimmy Jeffers has lost so much production this is a low risk eyes that you have but I thought of that guys you have to wait. Why make any moves at all give up anything that you had David Stern's waited out for the next two years did it. Bill David Sterns is trying to be very Smart about this he's not trying to make the big mold but he's trying to make smaller moves where. It's not gonna cost you much but you can look at the numbers you can look at how well the guy throws you don't look at the relievers that Davidson's has brought an up to this point. In Japanese words that has paid off and it cost him much it costs your Ryan Cornell an outfielder and early there was really no spot for Ryan Cornell because. There were two guys ahead of them and was prince numbered Phillips I don't think rank Kordell. Was ever gonna get his opportunity here with the Brewers he's 25 years old on top of that so he makes a move for swore Zack who's pitched very well for the socks it didn't cost them much unit to give up three or four prospects again I'm. And if things were sick I think has done a pretty good job since putter not a brewer uniform he's got to make smaller moves. To try to see if they can somehow he'll strike him you know why catch late in in a bottle. And make the post season without making something big that's Davidson is trying to do this year he knows better not to make that big mold. Otherwise he would have done it he would have given up Lewis Brentson. And we have sunny grand this team right now but he didn't he's he's trying to stay true to what he's already built in it's farm system. I I understand that and I agree with you and all of that my point being though is that means you were banking on all of the guys you have in the minor league system coming up right now the bigs. All being good when you've got to give him a shot ability or things like they're not given a machine I. No I'm giving them a shot but what I'm saying is coming off season. I'm going to fortify that shot because I'm not gonna just bank on those guys. Eyes and I don't wanna make a move in mid season next year all my backs against the wall and I have to be a buyer and a half to get more well. That's why I'd rather do in the off COK it's a wait a year and say hey wait a minute you know we're not even ready to go next year. We're gonna wait to that took complete fifth and final year of that rebuild. Then then that that tell people that's where no one so I don't want anything up at the trade deadline don't if you look at your pitching if one or two guys are failing don't give anything up. I guess that's the plan that's switchers ticket won't have. Slowly up six of the plant and I'm tell on this audience across the state right now. That there's no reason for Davidson's go wanna make some big move this offseason there's no reason to again. You might. Some of the guys issue of found this season. May just be a part of this cork that's gonna get shoot two World Series you need to keep adding on to that and the best way to do it. Is through the farm system that guys that David Sterns is already traded for there's already three or four guys. At the tripling in double A level but the Brewers could seat on this big league roster next year and could make an impact right away and if they do. If they make a big impact then yes bill I agree with you you can make that argument and sake. Okay now add another veteran piece to the rotation at another position on player. Now go ought to make that big mall because the rebuild has been accelerated but I'm just pumping the breaks or I'm not ready to make any big moves yet. Let's see some of the younger guys can do they're under control for the next. That's just appreciate appreciate your room we're local for break but I this is the thought process hopefully next year to year you go forth and I absolutely agree and you stand patsy which you got. But I think that's a lot of people are sitting at right now is this the tipping point for this team then move forward. And release or to say okay your team is pretty much formulated to pick up positional player. And I district for a fight your pitching because now you got next year in here after that in Europe that to really push your chips in the middle of the table broadcasting live under goose island on the Wisconsin state fair Nixon but what pavilion. You gonna get the other critical that -- can't report from my Clements coming up also the status at stake coming up stick around a lot more right after this. Border to. Quarter though marsh field including. Bill Michael's voice told me. Know all Radisson hotel and conference center green and gold training camp update brought to you by PP GPH dot com in Green Bay eight years Mike Clemens. The Packers defeated the Eagles Toney 49 in the pre season opener here at Lambeau Field. I huge momentum shift in the game was second year man Trevor Davis returning a punt sixty yards for a touchdown. To tie the game in the first half. Davis said he could hear Packers defensive back Josh Hawkins shouting at him as the ball drew closer. Propagate them a little left and right now someone vendors my ability in the left they completely put the got a silence and if you got to the play was just the right guy who use. Come up to me and how Harry Hawkins as say some to my producer it is six catches. But I'll be OK your caught him moved there I you know I knew it was the right and he hasn't come in my hip want to write and everybody made him like perfectly and just to back. Rookie defensive back Kevin Kane made some nice tackles in open space to stop the run and short pass but gave up a touchdown to Mac Collins rolling. I've got it. Think tonight I'm more you know when when the quarterbacks are scrambling it just passenger tenacity that initial route covered could bash fest and the yes there's a guy I think he. I think as some some of the work. I feel good about it. The Packers had five players leave the game with the injuries including wide receiver Malick I do pretty. Who had to be hospitalized. After a helmet to helmet shot head coach Mike McCarthy after the game. Baltimore tonight was third referrals from all three phases military figure forward the ball security or defense was excellent. You know they gonna ball away and send him off the offensively we've we've been handled very well also -- are from there but as you go through the different collusion and different players and playing awful to work for a schools was an excellent and we we took a step tonight as a football fan. Green Bay on my clubs on the bill Micheal field. Thank you Michael appreciate it time now for the of Roy those stat of the day and go back to last night's ball game one of the guys are really hoping which giant shines brightly Ocala and he has the maturity rightly that Brett Hundley. Eight of fifteen at quarterback rating at one point or him last one if Heatley the first. Obvious exception obviously cost him some numbers in August pass when he aren't touched on it yet Janice but he was a 59 yards. Sacked a couple of times for one EO one touchdown but the one that cost the quarterback rating of 66. And a guy that many people looking at this thing. You know really really performing and playing well possibly being treat me going in the next season in the off season. Brett Connolly it was our mistakes a pedestrian performance what you expect the makeup guy a little bit of slot because it got really hasn't played. Because of his injury threw up received last year this was the first crack at look for Brantley the better his numbers. Coming throughout the remainder via the pre season Reid meanwhile the running game. Well Purdue's 47 you are just papers much Mike McCarthy talked about running the football ET carries spread out among a separate but it running backs. And a 47 yards two point six yards were average not grade average last night. Offensively speaking. For the Green Bay Packers in that is brought you by our good friends if I don't they make it simple for companies like yours. To implement as ATP and big solutions revolutionize your data and ignite your future with apple real great response you know you program. But also our motorcycle ride coming up just come out of the way that eight PP ROY yo dot com a PP ROY yo. Dot com. Coming up next we got some buyers are you gonna hear from Mike McCarthy gonna your progress Huntley. Yet we know Leary the executive director of Wisconsin state fair we've got Patrick about it day go on out here. The singers are going to be joining us whipped on the farm we have all the that we in my Clemens we got so much mortal like what you brought gets under Wisconsin state fair. We've got a lot more coming up. Right activist. This is the marsh field. Putting my goal sports talk now.